Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Sectionalism Archive's avatar

> Instead of choosing moderation, Hitler as we all know went full steam ahead on every front. And still, even as he guaranteed that Germany would only receive absolute cold hostility from the democratic powers

Hitler correctly recognized that the 20th century would be one where large interconnected world powers with access to resources would dominate everyone else. He was trying to create a European Continental state that could compete on the world stage with America and the Soviet Union, and especially with a potential East Asian superpower.

> Germany had no real need to invade Poland, much less to do so immediately. There was nothing of urgent strategic necessity for Germany in Poland.

Germany and the Soviet Union both had legitimate concerns of the other side invading Poland first. For Germany, this would mean the Soviets would be only around 100 kilometers away from Berlin.

> Fascist-leaning Poland was, in many senses, a potentially powerful and useful German ally, one that could be easily bought off with German investment and aid, to be used if needed against Russia, Hitler’s ultimate enemy as he kept saying over and over again (and, again, such has been the strategy deployed by German governments since the 1990s). Ask any Pole about their military cooperation with Germany against Russia as we speak.

This would be a very fair argument, if not for the fact that Germany repeatedly offered military alliance with Poland during the pre-war Nazi regime. The Poles may have been Fascist-adjacent, but that’s precisely why they weren’t willing to be Germany’s protectorate or give up ethnically German territories like Danzig in return for military alliance against the Soviets. Hitler trusted Pilsudski but lacked faith in his successors.

> And this Poland invasion would result on CERTAIN war against Britain and France, which had ABSOLUTELY NO APPETITE for war against Germany.

Ah yes, the countries with absolutely no appetite for war with Germany just so happened to form a binding military alliance with a country Germany had long-running tensions with in Eastern Europe which had little relevance to themselves and did not exist 20 years prior… They were just being decent upstanding world police, weren’t they?

> Now Britain could only wage a war of revenge, leaving Europe in ruins and her own position in the Far East progressively weakened.

Are you under the impression that the Brits were terrified to break their magical oath to Poland, lest some god strike them all down?

> By the time both leaders met in Hendaye, Oct 23, 1940, at the peak of Nazi success, Franco flatly refused to join the Axis, which eventually had very damaging consequences for the Fascist war effort, as Hitler feared.

Don’t be ridiculous, man. The Spanish were in absolutely no condition to join the Axis powers, and even if they were they’d demand Algeria in return. It was honestly better for Germany that Spain remained neutral, as it made it impossible for the allies to use the war-torn dictatorship as an easy foothold into continental Europe.

> Hitler’s invasion of Poland was truly a disaster for the Fascist International, as Franco feared

Francisco Franco was not a Fascist.

> This Hitler four-dimension chess-playing, to me, doesn’t sound like evil genius. More like evil stupidity. And I haven’t said anything about the criminal, moronic policies that forced thousands of Germany’s most brilliant minds out of the country, and left them scheming to destroy his regime; the silly racism that still led Germany to treat even key allies, actual and potential, with disdain because they were insufficiently Aryan in the minds of semi-literate buffoons

Considering that around half of the significant socialists in the November Revolution were Jewish, it is quite reasonable not to want your cognitive elite to be part of a fifth column. It was made worse by the fact that the Nazis were very open antisemites while the Kaiserreich was not particularly so, making Jews in positions of power even less trustworthy. There’s no denying that it was a devastating loss to German innovation, but I think even the Nazi top brass knew that.

> the unfulfilled plans to invade even Catholic, Fascist-leaning Ireland (it sure looks like Hitler was really into invading fellow Fascist countries); and the contradictions in a mind that only wanted peace with Britain but first gave Britain no choice other than declaring war on him. And don’t get me started on Benito Mussolini.

The unfulfilled plans… Key word unfulfilled? You’re judging Hitler for something he didn’t even do. Also, fascists don’t owe something to other fascists. It isn’t like communism where they’re trying to create a new world order.

> Go tell that to Mussolini, who destroyed one of the world’s oldest Christian countries — Ethiopia — while claiming to act in the interests of the Church, who joined World War II only so he could get a small slice of southern France

Mussolini was an atheist. Also, Ethiopian Orthodoxy is heretical under the Catholic view, so I don’t think Catholics should be that concerned about that place. Italians were more concerned about wanting to rectify the humiliation of the first Italo-Ethiopian war.

> From the outside, by late 1941 anyone could have said that Mussolini and Hitler had gone from victory to victory. The Allies’ situation was indeed dramatic.

Sort of, but the German situation was also dire. Germany was literally running out of oil reserves and that’s why they launched Barbarossa so early. They predicted that they would run out of enough fuel to launch an attack on Russia entirely if they didn’t act soon. As well as enough oil to continue launching any offensives. I won’t say that Hitler made every right decision but he gets a lot of flack he doesn’t deserve, militarily speaking. Hitler, in some sense, *should* have won the war with the west. It was a Pyrrhic victory for the British.

Expand full comment
Arnold Kling's avatar

You didn't mention HItler's declaration of war on America, which came in the wake of Pearl Harbor. Had he not done that, Roosevelt would have had difficulty convincing America that we were necessarily at war with anyone other than Japan.

Expand full comment
96 more comments...

No posts