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Feb 9Edited

Hmm. North Korea gets to do what it wants in large part because anytime one of the larger powers wants to rein it in, the other doesn't want to concede the loss of influence. As far as that goes, it looks like a three-body problem (I was playing with Universe Sandbox again this weekend, so that had immediate salience).

If both agreed on something, it could go to the West. Also, the nuclear weapons as a last resort and an additional risk for anyone who might wish to 'solve' the problem. That is not related to the three-body problem.

It's really a very unique problem. Try to think of any other country that would get away with mass counterfeiting of US currency, or having its nationals pose as US workers for foreign exchange $$$ and intelligence reasons? With complete impunity, I might add. There is literally almost no NK trade to affect with sanctions, so it's immune to Western threats more or less.

I spent a LOT of time in Korea and marveled at both the problem and our (US) response to it. Baffled policymakers reacting, mostly.

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As a resident of a vassal state I think my vassal's leader's point (I live in the one with most polar bears and the best maple syrup) is that the accumulative mass of the densest ("heaviest") of the vassals collectively come close to, essentially equal, or even surpasses, the mass of the U.S. at the best of American times, which these are not.

So while the U.S. sheds mass, with no single one of the heavier vassals still coming close to equalling it, individually at least some of them are gaining mass, and if they can merge that mass with the other of the heavier vassals, the question becomes, to me, can they come close to, equal, or surpass U.S. mass.

Partly the answer depends, I suggest, on definition of "mass", which is usually more or less encapsulated in the concept of national net wealth. But also it depends on the interactions of outside events that can create complexities not previously encountered (so nothing there to guide us, not that we are in the habit of learning from history) that will go in directions as unpredictable as the internet-cell phone connection to a vast tranche of knowledge was to Jules Verne or Nostradamus.

I think your take on North Korea is probably quite accurate, and one can "see" its instability change only if the "unforeseen" occurs, which seems unlikely in my lifetime, for sure, and probably in the lifetimes of contemporaries now in playpens.

And quick reminder, while I lack the expertise, experience, and knowledge on this topic that you and so many others bring to the table, my understanding, again from a perspective outside the U.S. it seems that the U.S. asked for the positions it has taken, to gain mass while dispensing, as an incentive, altruism all too readily, or greedily, or even necessarily (in the case of low-mass vassals -- low net monetary worth) but that long ere Trump an increasing number of American and non-American oligarchs have conspired to suck mass into their own respective beings, more or less secretly, until now. All of this is intertwined with many of the most base of human instincts and value systems, all exposed by Trump to a degree and at a time that was, I posit, unintended by his richest supporters, bringing us full circle to need of the vassals to see if they can assemble a mass greater than that which has abruptly turned on them (and, I think, itself). They needed an incentive to get off paths of least resistance and now they have one.

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