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Ivan Pozgaj's avatar

For someone who doesnt want to spout propaganda, you sure do. Lets count the ways:

1. Ukrainians are rabid nationalists. And Russians arent? This descriptor itself disqualifies you.

2. Taking Crimea and supporting treasonous rebellion in Donbass. Funny how you gloss over these actions by Russia. If someone supported a rebellion in a Russian province, what would Russia do? Wait, we know. Look at what happened to Grozny.

3. “Nazis”. Was Azov fascist then (less so now with so many original members dead or in prison camps in Russia)? Sure. But no mention of Nazi biker gangs securing Putin’s rallies, or how many Nazis fought for Russia? Just among Wagner, there is so much evidence… seems to me Russia needs some denazifying of its own.

4. Maidan. West supported the protesters for sure but taking away their agency completely to claim without evidence (your only link is busted) that it was a “foreign coup” just repeats worst of Putin’s propagandist points.

5. Kit Klarenberg. You dont like propaganda, but somehow quote one of leading anti-West “journos” whose articles are consistently wrong or written with context speciously presented to show a one sides picture.

6. Motivations for war. Nothing here except accepting Putin’s premise. No mention of his essay on uniting Russian lands. Nothing on ridiculousness of his claim that Russia was under threat (if US wasnt willing to engage directly for Ukraine even due to threat of nuclear war, then how can Russia itself ever be under threat?).

7. Zelensky as Hitler of this war? Really? Are you high? This doesnt even merit intellectual response, just shows how bad your article is. But even on its “merits”, Hitler forced thousands of stupid attacks against entrenched enemy knowing it will lead to tons of losses for barely any gains. Seems like Bakhmut to me. Stalin did that too, so Putin can be Hitler or Stalin of this war, but claiming that a side DEFENDING itself is crazy to defend its territory to its upmost is Hitlerite is a delusional assertion. Would you claim the same of Soviets vs Nazis? I mean they could have foregoed Leningrad instead of eating rats no?

8. I wont even go into Yugoslavia thing, ill wait for ur article on that one to point out all the mistakes you will surely make then.

9. Nothing, and i mean nothing, on the actual philosophical substance of this war. The whole point of the past decades has been to move away from the imperialism of “spheres of influence”. Ukraine joining even NATO isnt and wasnt a threat to Russia because again, THEY HAVE NUKES. This defeats the whole argumentation of Putin, which he defeated as well himself with his essay. No, this is Putin going back to pre-WW2 style foreign policy, and useful idiots like you deciding to turn off their intellectual faculties because you are too scared of ever saying no to a bully. Small countries have a right to exist, to have their borders unchanged by big powers and to run their country how they want to. West has been at wrong here as well for sure, but in Ukraine, Russia has done majority of meddling. And it is the one who invaded a sovereign country, which you also decided not to make a deal out of.

10. 2024 summer offensive. Nothing, again nothing, on the fact West was late with weapons deliveries and was pushing Ukraine to attack in NATO style vs entrenched defenses which had more time to prep because again, support was late. No, make it seem as if building trenches by convicts is on the genius level of Zhukov. Of course, where Ukraine showed adaptation against 2nd biggest army in the world (first drone warfare power in the world making millions drones per year, forcing Russia to go so deep into its storages its fielding 1950s tanks and IFVs, adapting Western AA to fire older Soviet missiles, forcing Russian Black Sea fleet into hiding), thats irrelevant because “West did it all”. You sound like Chomsky.

Now ill give u some props too.

1. 2022 peace opportunity. Yea, that one is a doozy. Too many Western politicians get a war hard on (see Sarkozy and Cameron in Libya) too easily. But you are writing in definite terms about confidential peace negotiations while the war is happening. At least qualify it that we still dont have all the details instead of presenting it as historical fact based on the fact an article was published in Foreign Policy (this is Ron Unz style comprehension of how historical facts are gathered).

2. Overall Western policy on the war. It has been all over the place due to a stupid fear of nuclear war (which will never happen as long as sons and daughters of Russian politicians, oligarchs and generals study in Cambridge and Harvard, which majority of them do). So we had this push and shove shit where ukraine was never given enough to actually come even close to winning.

Basically, a “non-propaganda” author who seems to have swallowed Putin’s propaganda hook, line and sinker. Id love to see you actually respond to the critique above, but i doubt you will. Would require actually examining your motivation.

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I liked this post. I would quible over some of the details, but that's to be expected. The fog of war and the polarizing narratives make a number of things difficult to really nail down, like casualty numbers.

The big one though, is the northern offensive toward Kiev. You describe it as a failed offensive, but I think that it was more likely a campaign to force Zelensky to the negotiating table. And after negotiations commenced, Putin withdrew as a good faith gesture. Then Boris Johnson came in to urge Zelensky to fight rather than take a deal.

The support for this argument is pretty straightforward. The Russians didn't have anywhere near enough men to take Kiev. The total invasion force was around 130,000 men (numbers vary from 100k to 150k) and roughly 30,000 of those were in the northern offensive. Both Northern and Southern offensives made rapid progress, but the Kiev offensive stalled just outside of Kiev. In my view this was deliberate, to allow for negotiations.

The reasoning is simple. Kiev is a city of 3 million and it had 10,000 or more troops defending it. Typically the attacking force needs to have a 3 to 1 advantage to overcome a defending force, all things being equal. But, in the concrete jungle of a major city, the ratio goes up to at least 5 to 1. Russia simply didn't have the numbers to take Kiev.

Further, when assaulting dense urban areas, there are two strategies. Either flatten the place with artillery first or storm it with overwhelming number and be prepared to take heavy casualties. Russia didn't have the numbers for the latter and Kiev suffered almost no damage from bombs or artillery.

Also, the Russians withdrew from the field in good order. Michael Kofman, War on the Rocks, even commented that retreating under fire is one of the most difficult things for an army to do and the Russians did it well.

Finally, the Russians did very well in the south. It's hard to square their rapid advances in both theaters, and their orderly withdrawl in the north, with what was arguably a more veteran defending force in the south.

So, that's my main quibble. But otherwise, very nice work.

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